Dhimmitude: Every Gym a Mosque and Muslim Swimmin' Holes

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It's unbelievable that liberty for all has succumbed to the cries of a race who refuses to assimilate to the culture they choose to live in.

First, in the United States, a Muslim woman demands retribution:

DEARBORN -- Fitness USA, a gym chain, is investigating an alleged civil rights violation involving a local Muslim woman who says her afternoon prayer was interrupted by a fellow patron, and that her complaint to management about the situation was rejected.

"The manager told me, 'You have to respect her (the patron), but she does not have to respect your God,' " said Wardeh Sultan of Dearborn. "I've had my membership for seven or eight years, and I've never had a problem with praying there.

"I told that manager, 'I can't believe you said that' " Sultan said. "Honestly, I feel humiliated and I feel ashamed, right now, to go back to Fitness USA."

Local representatives of Fitness USA, which operates branches throughout Metro Detroit and in two other states, referred all inquiries regarding the matter to their corporate offices.

"We will, as we will with any complaint involving our staff and a member, be doing a full and thorough investigation of the matter and take any appropriate action we need to take," said Jodi Berry, executive director of Fitness USA. "We want every member to get a good exercise experience every time they come to the club."

Berry said she learned of the complaint on Monday.

The allegations are among a series of recent complaints by Muslims who say they are free to practice their religion in the United States, until someone tells them they cannot. Recently, the same Fitness USA facility enacted a new dress code to allow Muslim women to wear more modest clothing, in compliance with some Islamic practices.
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This is yet another example of special treatment Muslims are increasingly demanding, nationwide. Last April, at the Fitness USA in Lincoln Park, 200 Muslim women signed a petition demanding separate workout times for men and women. Succumbing to the demands, a screen was eventually built to obstruct the men's view of the women’s facilities.

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Now, let's head across the globe to the United Kingdom, who are becoming even more acclimated to Sharia law:

A council has sparked a row after it shut a swimming pool to hold Muslim-only sessions on a Sunday afternoon.

The swimming sessions - which are for men only - are held for two hours every week at a leisure centre in London.

Non-Muslims may swim during this time but only if they follow the strict dress code of swimming shorts that hide the navel and extend below the knee.

Women are completely banned from attending but have their own special swimming sessions outside opening hours.

During their sessions bathers must be covered from head to foot with their swimming costume covering their body from the neck down to the ankle.
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This is the end result we see from our efforts to appease the "discriminated" as a politically correct free world.

Just today, the media seemed to suddenly realize that terrorists don't have to be a member of the Taliban or Al-Qaeda, to still pose a threat to innocent civilians by intolerant and barbaric reasoning.

Tony Blair advocates reason of multiculturalism over invasion:

Tony Blair yesterday told radical Muslims that they had a "duty to integrate" into British society and warned them they could not be allowed to override what he described as the country's core values of democracy, tolerance and respect for the law. "Our tolerance is part of what makes Britain, Britain. Conform to it; or don't come here. We don't want the hate-mongers, whatever their race, religion or creed," Mr Blair said.
Of course, he's blasted for his remarks of "divisiveness" (last paragraph).

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Political correctness is a cancer in the body of the free world.
 

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Why do we have to say all this stuff about another case about Muslims? I mean we are after terrorist and if I treated every muslim a terrorist I would be paranoid each day. Sometimes we just need to chill for a minute and think things logicaly.
 

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"The manager told me, 'You have to respect her (the patron), but she does not have to respect your God,' " said Wardeh Sultan of Dearborn. "I've had my membership for seven or eight years, and I've never had a problem with praying there.

"I told that manager, 'I can't believe you said that' " Sultan said. "Honestly, I feel humiliated and I feel ashamed, right now, to go back to Fitness USA."
This is why religion is so fucked up in our society. Religion is the only point of view I can think of that people automatically claim "deserves respect," and cannot be debated because otherwise you are being a bigot, racist, etc etc.

Bullshit. Why the hell do you deserve respect because you believe some magical invisable man orders you to worthless prayer 5 times a day otherwise you just ruin that poor supreme being's day and he sends you to hell?

Wake up people, there is no reason to respect religion anymore than any other point of view in life. If you believe you are Julius Caesar, you deserve ridicule, or possibly mental help. If you believe Zeus is sitting on a mountaintop in Greece throwing lightening bolts at people, you deserve ridicule, or possibly mental help. If you believe Allah sent people to heaven in flaming charriots, or that a zombie named Jesus walked on water and brought people back to life..... wellllll.... I see no difference, do you?

Fuck respecting religious belief. The manager in this is right, you don't have to fucking respect Allah any more than you have to respect the easter bunny.
 

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Okay, you know what, you don't get it and you make gotherik look like a scholar.
 

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Okay, you know what, you don't get it and you make gotherik look like a scholar.
Oh, like your post addressed anything at all? Please.

Why do we have to say all this stuff about another case about Muslims? I mean we are after terrorist and if I treated every muslim a terrorist I would be paranoid each day. Sometimes we just need to chill for a minute and think things logicaly.
Yeah, like you can get anything from that. :lmao:
 
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It's unbelievable that liberty for all has succumbed to the cries of a race who refuses to assimilate to the culture they choose to live in.

First, in the United States, a Muslim woman demands retribution:



Read More

This is yet another example of special treatment Muslims are increasingly demanding, nationwide. Last April, at the Fitness USA in Lincoln Park, 200 Muslim women signed a petition demanding separate workout times for men and women. Succumbing to the demands, a screen was eventually built to obstruct the men's view of the women’s facilities.

____________________________________________________


Now, let's head across the globe to the United Kingdom, who are becoming even more acclimated to Sharia law:



Read More or here.

This is the end result we see from our efforts to appease the "discriminated" as a politically correct free world.

Just today, the media seemed to suddenly realize that terrorists don't have to be a member of the Taliban or Al-Qaeda, to still pose a threat to innocent civilians by intolerant and barbaric reasoning.

Tony Blair advocates reason of multiculturalism over invasion:



Of course, he's blasted for his remarks of "divisiveness" (last paragraph).

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Political correctness is a cancer in the body of the free world.
Heather, another great thread! :boink:

We need to put our foot down. Muslims are welcome here as long as they don't try to take over. And that is the key because their goal is to one day dominate America by violence or by peaceful means or by using BOTH methods.

The threat of violence AND the legal, peaceful onslaught together are being employed to conquer America.

Your post helps us to see this legal method!
 

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So we have here:
A woman who was bothered when she was praying and made a complaint (probably solved with a apology)
A group of women who dont like to be stared at while working out (solved with a screen)
And a private enterprise that decides to have a special service for a group of people that otherwise wouldnt feel comfortable using the facilities (solved by not bothering about it).

So we a have three understandable problems with simple solutions. Whats the point?
 

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It's unbelievable that liberty for all has succumbed to the cries of a race who refuses to assimilate to the culture they choose to live in.

First, in the United States, a Muslim woman demands retribution:



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I don't understand why this is a problem. She has a right to pray, and she has a right to be angry if she's told not to. Whoever told her not to pray is a moron, and so is the manager. America is founded on a right to freedom of religion.

I would hope you're not suggesting all religious acts be confined to the home? Because that draws an eerie comparison to a certain country (hint: USSR or China).





Last April, at the Fitness USA in Lincoln Park, 200 Muslim women signed a petition demanding separate workout times for men and women. Succumbing to the demands, a screen was eventually built to obstruct the men's view of the women’s facilities.
I agree, that's outrageous, and needs to be stopped.






Read More or here.

This is the end result we see from our efforts to appease the "discriminated" as a politically correct free world.
That too, is ridiculous. Segregated swimming? England has to potential to develop some serious problems, and it looks as if they're headed down a bad path.





Okay, you know what, you don't get it and you make gotherik look like a scholar.
Hey, thanks. You're not exactly the most intelligent member on here either.






So we a have three understandable problems with simple solutions. Whats the point?
Wow, I can see why they're having such an easy time taking over. Because people like you are jumping for joy in anticipation to heed to their commands.

Personally, If I was walking by my local pool and wanted to go for a swim, but walked in only to be refused access because I wasn't of the right religion or my bathing suit wasn't acceptable to almighty Allah, I'd be pissed. I'm sure you'd be happier than anyone to be turned down.
 
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I don't understand why this is a problem. She has a right to pray, and she has a right to be angry if she's told not to. Whoever told her not to pray is a moron, and so is the manager. America is founded on a right to freedom of religion.

I would hope you're not suggesting all religious acts be confined to the home? Because that draws an eerie comparison to a certain country (hint: USSR or China).
Its not so much banning religion as it is taking away that automatic respect of religion that has been build up so much. If I march around proclaiming that my shoes are a god that requires me to pray 7 times a day, wear a condom on my chin and not eat celery, I would expect to get made fun of.... EXPECIALLY if I start bitching to businesses that do not provide assistance to my beliefs, whatever that would be. The stupid rituals of islam and christianity are no different, we need to get away from the notion that it is somehow biggoted or wrong of you to call somebody out on religion.
 
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Its not so much banning religion as it is taking away that automatic respect of religion that has been build up so much. If I march around proclaiming that my shoes are a god that requires me to pray 7 times a day, wear a condom on my chin and not eat celery, I would expect to get made fun of.... EXPECIALLY if I start bitching to businesses that do not provide assistance to my beliefs, whatever that would be. The stupid rituals of islam and christianity are no different, we need to get away from the notion that it is somehow biggoted or wrong of you to call somebody out on religion.
I'm not saying she deserves respect, I'm just saying it's wrong to tell her to stop praying.

You have the right to make fun of her if you find her beliefs outlandish, and she has a right to express those beliefs.

I don't understand how she was asking for "assistance" in her beliefs. She was just praying, and she's angry that someone forced her to stop.
 

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You have the right to make fun of her if you find her beliefs outlandish, and she has a right to express those beliefs.

I don't understand how she was asking for "assistance" in her beliefs. She was just praying, and she's angry that someone forced her to stop.
True and true, I am just getting rather pationate about my point is all. For too long religions get this aura of respect that religious people think they deserve, and businesses and governments seem to scared to say anything against it. I feel the opposite should be true, delusions should not be praised.

I understand that with the freedoms of this country you cannot and should not stomp on something like this with force, but all the better to pationatly debate it then.
 

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Isn't this a case of simple capitalism?

The muslim members of that gym wanted seperate men/women classes, they petitioned and the gym changed their setup. The gym could have refused, and lose those customers but they chose not to. I don't see the issue here.

Unless I'm missing something, this is a non-issue, and the outrage here is quite pointless.


The swimming pool thing is a bit different. I can almost see having special times for some weird sub-group (some pools have seniors only times don't they?) Tough call, if pressed I guess I'd tell them to pack sand.
 
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Isn't this a case of simple capitalism?

The muslim members of that gym wanted seperate men/women classes, they petitioned and the gym changed their setup. The gym could have refused, and lose those customers but they chose not to. I don't see the issue here.

Unless I'm missing something, this is a non-issue, and the outrage here is quite pointless.
If a bunch of white rednecks wanted to disallow all blacks from joining a gym would you be OK with that too?
 

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If a bunch of white rednecks wanted to disallow all blacks from joining a gym would you be OK with that too?
Did you actually read the damn article? Nobody was disallowed to join anything. The women in question wanted a seperate class, they have those in most gyms I've ever seen.

You people are absolutely insane with your blind hatred of muslims.

A private business can decide if they want to listen to their customers, they could have told them to fuck off, but they didn't want to lose the business. If their other customers want co-ed classes, then they should threaten to switch gyms.
 
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Dont businesses have the right to allow or disallow certain activities in their own establishment? If I owned a sub sandwich shop..... I wouldnt want anyone making a spectacle of themselves in my shop. That INCLUDES.... laying out a carpet, kneeling while pointing to mecca & praying.

You wanna pray?.... do it under your breathe & dont make a public spectacle of yourself. This ALSO goes for christians who want to pray aloud.

As for the patron who "disrupted" the pray'er (I would like to know the exact particulars on how it was done)... what she did may have been rude.... but its not illegal. Whether or not her rudeness (who knows WHAT she did to disrupt the muslim's prayers?... she could have just been talking loudly... who knows?) violated the gym's rules/code of conduct has to be determined by the business owner.

If you HAVE to pray at a certain time of the day.... make preparations ahead of time to do it privately so you dont disrupt the public place you happen to be in.

I can see it all now....in the future.... ALL businesses will ,by law, have to have a private room set aside for muslims so they can pray in peace. :rolleyes:
 
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Dont businesses have the right to allow or disallow certain activities in their own establishment? If I owned a sub sandwich shop..... I wouldnt want anyone making a spectacle of themselves in my shop. That INCLUDES.... laying out a carpet, kneeling while pointing to mecca & praying.

You wanna pray?.... do it under your breathe & dont make a public spectacle of yourself. This ALSO goes for christians who want to pray aloud.

As for the patron who "disrupted" the pray'er (I would like to know the exact particulars on how it was done)... what she did may have been rude.... but its not illegal.

If you HAVE to pray at a certain time of the day.... make preparations to do it privately ahead of time so you dont disrupt the public place you happen to be in.

I can see it all now....in the future.... ALL businesses will ,by law, have to have a private room set aside for muslims so they can pray in peace. :rolleyes:
Yup, the business definitely can say "you can't waste our space with prayer".

Also the business has a right to say "we have X number of customers who want to do this, so we are going to provide the resources to do it".

Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything here. Focusing on stuff like this which is between that particular gym and it's customers just distracts us from the real problems out there.


The article is really vague, but I see two possible scenarios here.

Muslim woman was using space for prayer that the other woman wanted to use, (for stretches or crunches)
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Muslim woman was not in anyone's way, and somebody didn't like her praying and tried to disrupt her.

If it was the first scenario, I imagine the gym should say "if somebody is wating to use our floor mats, you can only use them for exercises". If it was the second scenario then I think it speaks for itself.
 

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more info from another article......

Oh......THIS is GOOD! :D

According to Jodi Berry, executive director of Fitness USA, Wardeh Sultan was praying in front of another member’s locker when the member wanted access to her belongings inside the locker. The inconvenienced patron tried to interrupt Ms. Sultan, but she remained prostrate in front of the locker and an altercation ensued. A manager was called into the locker room to intervene.
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/challenges.php?id=470160

Note: Not entirely sure about the bais of this website. Will try to find another article about the particulars of the "disruption" of prayers.

edit: I cant find another article that specifically states that the muslim was praying in front of the other person's locker. Another article states that the gym patron complained that the woman was praying in the locker room & the management said she couldnt to that.

In the original article.... it states that the muslim prayed in a "closet" connected to the locker room. (I dont know about you, but generally in any business.... closets for the most part are off limits to customers/members).

I want to know what REALLY happened. Seems every side is modifying their stories to make themselves look like THEY are right.
 
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more info from another article......

Oh......THIS is GOOD! :D



http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/challenges.php?id=470160

Note: Not entirely sure about the bais of this website. Will try to find another article about the particulars of the "disruption" of prayers.

edit: I cant find another article that specifically states that the muslim was praying in front of the other person's locker. Another article states that the gym patron complained that the woman was praying in the locker room & the management said she couldnt to that.

In the original article.... it states that the muslim prayed in a "closet" connected to the locker room. (I dont know about you, but generally in any business.... closets for the most part are off limits to customers/members).

I want to know what REALLY happened. Seems every side is modifying their stories to make themselves look like THEY are right.
On the way home from work this evening I heard about that on the radio. Like you, I'm still waiting for the entire story.