Iran:Offical Holocaust Deniers Conference

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TEHRAN, Dec. 11 — Holocaust deniers and skeptics from around the world gathered at a government-sponsored conference here today to discuss their theories about whether six million Jews were indeed killed by the Nazis during World War II and whether gas chambers existed.

In a speech opening the two-day conference, Rasoul Mousavi, head of the Iranian Foreign Ministry’s Institute for Political and International Studies, which organized the event, said it was an opportunity for scholars to discuss the subject “away from Western taboos and the restriction imposed on them in Europe.”

The foreign ministry had said that 67 foreign researchers from 30 countries were scheduled to take part. Among those speaking today are David Duke, the American white-supremacist politician and former Ku Klux Klan leader, and Georges Thiel, a French writer who has been prosecuted in France over his denials of the Holocaust.

Mr. Duke’s remarks late this afternoon are expected to assert that no gas chambers or extermination camps were actually built during the war, on the ground that killing Jews that way would have been much too bothersome and expensive when the Nazis could have used much simpler methods, according to an advance summary of his speech published by the institute.

“Depicting Jews as the overwhelming victims of the Holocaust gave the moral high ground to the Allies as victors of the war, and allowed Jews to establish a state on the occupied land of Palestine,” Mr. Duke’s paper says, according to the summary.

One of the first scheduled speakers, Robert Faurisson of France, also called the Holocaust a myth created to justify the occupation of Palestine.

The conference is being held at the behest of Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who likewise called the Holocaust a myth last year, and repeated a well-known slogan from the early days of the 1979 revolution in Iran, “Israel must be wiped off the map.” He has spoken several times since then about a need to establish whether the Holocaust actually happened.

Most of the speakers at the conference today praised Mr. Ahmadinejad’s comments.

Bendikt Frings, 48, a psychologist from Germany, said he believed Mr. Ahmadinejad was “an honest direct man,” and said he had come to the conference to thank him for what he had initiated.

“We are forbidden to have such a conference in Germany,” he said. “ All my childhood, we waited for something like this.”

Toben Feredrick, from Australia, said Mr. Ahmadinejad has opened an issue “which is morally and intellectually crippling the Western society.”

“People are imprisoned in Germany for denying the Holocaust,” he added.

Mr. Feredrick said he was jailed for six months in 1999 because of his ideas, and that a court in Germany has ordered him arrested if he speaks out publicly again denying that the Holocaust took place.

Other Western “revisionists” presented what they called new facts about the Holocaust at the conference, which also attracted attendees from some ultra-Orthodox Jews belonging to anti-Zioinst sects that reject the state of Israel. One participant wearing the traditional long black coat and hat of such groups wore a badge saying: “A Jew, not a Zionist.”

It was not entirely clear how the lineup of speakers at the conference was set. The Institute’s website had invited scholars and researchers to submit papers in advance for consideration, but revealed little about how they were evaluated. The Iranian foreign ministry also provided little information about participants, saying that it feared they would be prosecuted by their home countries.

The conference included an exhibition today of various photos, posters and other material meant to contradict the accepted version of events, that the Nazis murdered millions of Jews and other “undesirables” in death camps during the war. New captions in Persian on some familiar photos of corpses at the camps argued that they were victims of typhus, not the German state.

Anti-Zionist literature, including a 2004 book by the American author Michael Collins Piper, about Zionist influence in America, was offered for sale to visitors at the conference. So, apparently, was a video recording of 12 Holocaust survivors telling their stories, suggesting that the views represented at the conference may not have been entirely one-sided.
This is sick and a fucking disgrace to history and humanity.
 

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What a shame, they just set themselves to look like fools... that's reason enough to not let them have nuclear technology, they'd just fool with it and end up killing themselves with it...
 

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denier 1:Hey where did 3 million go?

denier 2:There werent that many.

denier 1:eek:h okay.

denier 1:confused:o who'se house was this?
 

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What a shame, they just set themselves to look like fools... that's reason enough to not let them have nuclear technology, they'd just fool with it and end up killing themselves with it...





Who's "they"? Holocaust denial isn't an exclusively Iranian phenomenon, as the guest list indicates. When I used to frequent gun shows, it was a very popular topic among the radical right wing/anti-government militia types.


I am not a Holocaust denier myself, but I find the fact that you can be locked up in Germany or France for denying it to be troubling. Being an idiot isn't a crime, and if it were there'd be plenty of people who should be locked up before some foolish revisionists.
 

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yeah. Germany really want to downplay the Nazi history. Not sure why France is doing this though. Holocaust denial is stupid.
 

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Who's "they"? Holocaust denial isn't an exclusively Iranian phenomenon,
The Iranian government (or part of it) for sponsoring the conference.
I am not a Holocaust denier myself, but I find the fact that you can be locked up in Germany or France for denying it to be troubling. Being an idiot isn't a crime, and if it were there'd be plenty of people who should be locked up before some foolish revisionists.
Hey, I agree with that. Denying historical events or science shouldn't be a punishable crime and I agree it should be changed.

Although, like Spike Lee pointed out, in Germany is punishable because they don't want anyone thinking that... so, it's not that simple when it comes to that country...
 
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I dont agree with it being illegal to say that, but I understand why.
 

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I dont agree with it being illegal to say that, but I understand why.
Wow, you and I agree on something. I was going to say the same thing. In all honesty, it's probably illegal as a massive PR campaign. Think about it, Germany's official stance is that it couldn't be more ashamed of that part in it's history, and it doesn't tolerate anything that could make it appear as if the nation is A) Heading back in that direction and B) tolerable of those who would like it to go back in that direction so they over react. Again, it's a scary thought that you could be imprisoned for speech, an action of which nations like that tend to be critical, but on the other hand they want to show the world they are reformed, modern nations worthy of our trust and more importantly our tourism dollar.
 

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Believer: So uh.....what about those ovens with the dead bodies we have photos of?

Denier: It was a photochop! LOL!!!!


Seriously, whoever thinks this shit is a disgrace. But wait, it's entirely plausible that they convinced the Jews (and others being persecuted) in a dozen countries to lie about it, and to make up stories about it. Since that would definitely be worth their time.....
 

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The holocaust deinal laws are probably going to fade away after all the survivors pass away, which may be a few more decades. But sadly, that will mean there will be no more eyewitnesses, which will mean even more idiots like Omletinajob and David Duke.
 

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Holocaust denial is stupid, but the Jewish Holocaust isn't the only Holocaust in denial.

Jews should stop denying their part in the Ukrainian Holocaust in which 7 million Ukrainians died. Of the five men most responsible for the Ukrainian Holocaust Stalin/Yagoda/Molotov/Kaganovich/Beria three out of the five were Jews. Genrikh Yagoda head of the dreaded NKVD Stalins Secret police disproportionately recruited Jews into the NKVD which carried out the starvation of 7 million Ukrainians between 1932-1933. But nobody knows about this Holocaust, strange.
 
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It's very out of character for me, but just think: one bomb and it's all solved!
 

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I think the best response should a meeting of Iranian deniers.. maybe in say Texas they could meet on the premise of denning that Iraq exists. Wow if we can do this more often we solve so many of the worlds issues. :p
 

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If the Jewish Holocaust can stand up to scrutiny, and can be proven valid against contradicting evidence in an official trial, or investigation, etc, then Holocaust Denial can be put to rest and subsequently invalidated. Until then, I don't see anything wrong with honestly questioning the 'facts', nor do I have a problem with an Official Holocaust Denier Conference being held among all places, in Iran.
 

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You cant argue against fact though ...

if a ball is blue, you cant look at it and say its dog ... its a fucking blue ball not a fucking dog.
 

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If the Jewish Holocaust can stand up to scrutiny, and can be proven valid against contradicting evidence in an official trial, or investigation, etc, then Holocaust Denial can be put to rest and subsequently invalidated. Until then, I don't see anything wrong with honestly questioning the 'facts', nor do I have a problem with an Official Holocaust Denier Conference being held among all places, in Iran.
I'm pretty sure 9-11 million missing people say otherwise. Not to mention the countless photos and first hand experiences that prove that it happened. I'd like to see some solid evidence that it didn't happen, because there's more than enough evidence that it did.
 

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I was amused to see Orthodox Jews attending this conference as it is the tendency of most people to assume it was just a gathering for crazy ass Muslims who are teh badnezz and are anti-Semitic. It is not just denial of the holocaust this conference was to deal with, but the use of "holocaust guilt" felt in the West as used by the Jews to gain a state post WW2, something a number of Jews are unhappy about as they feel it detracts from their existence as the elected people.