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Pat Tillman viewed as an "idiot" in his mind

Discussion in 'World News & Events' started by wils0646, May 4, 2004.

  1. wils0646

    wils0646 Exoskeletal Junction

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    Has anyone heard about this article wrote by Rene Gonzalez at the the University of Massachusetts? He is a grad student that feels that Pat Tillman is an "idiot" for dying for the war in Afghanistan. Just read the article...it simply pisses me off that someone even thinks this. I think people are entitled to their opinion, but saying someone deserved to die is horrible. How does someone's mind get so warped with these kind of views?

    http://media.dailycollegian.com/pages/tillman_lobandwidth.html

    The President of Umass called his statements: A "disgusting, arrogant and intellectually immature attack on a human being who died in service to his country."
     
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  2. socrepLT

    socrepLT The world is my ashtray

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    It said hes from Puerto Rico right? The US doesn't have a very good historical standing with South America. A lotta people down there don't really likle us.
     
  3. hodog78

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    I agree. This is very sick. I understand rights of free speech, and defend it, but there's nothing worse than tramping on the grave of a man who died serving his country, no matter who he is. Some of us joined the military to provide a better life for ourselves, taking advantage of the many things the U.S. Military has to offer (school, training, etc). Pat Tillman needed none of those reasons. He was already financially set for life, and had a promising career still ahead of him. He joined because he felt it was his calling. And for some grad student who wouldn't know anything about that to say these things, only one week after his death, is disgusting, and it disgraces the memory of the other hundreds of good soldiers that have died in the last year as well.

    I guess some people just can't stand to admit that there still are some heroes out there.
     
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  4. Bergs

    Bergs Elitist

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    That is absolutely dispicable.
     
  5. droogsteve

    droogsteve Back from the dead
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    He's a grad student, big fucking surprise. Just another professional student spewing his clueless bullshit far removed from the real world. The concepts of bravery, duty and honor are as foreign to him as calculus would be to a chimp. He simply cannot understand them, therefore he attacks them. I take no offense because the opinions of such a person are meaningless to me.
     
  6. JuliaAguilar

    JuliaAguilar Good night

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    Puerto Rico isn't part of South America, it's actually part of the US! Where are you getting your information from? Okay, so PR isn't a state, but they are still technically part of the United States.

    And honestly, I never heard anything about South America not liking us, but I guess that's probably because when we think of areas of the world that do not like us, it's usually the Mid-East, or French people :)

    And as far as Tillman goes, I give him my utmost respect. I don't think I could have given up that much money to join the military, especially now that I'm in the Army, but that's just me. To each his own, I guess. But those who are ignorant will always voice their opinions, and that's all this student is doing. Let him wallow in his stupidity. He'll learn someday that good people still exist and that money is not the key to happiness and a full life.
     
  7. born2lose

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    Wow, that was disturbing. Seems like ms. Gonzalez is a nothing who is jealous that Pat Tillman had everything and will now forever be known as a hero and she's just a bitter loser who will be known for her twisted view. Would she give her life to be able to publish articles like this? i think not. Shes got a serious bug up her butt and the only person she is concerned with is herself.
    I think everyone who joins the armed forces is a hero, famous or unfamous, and the people who die in combat are just as much a hero as the people who survive, some are just much luckier than others.
     
  8. Sketcher

    Sketcher Let the chaos begin

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    Anyone who leaves a 3 million dollar contract behind to serve his country is a patriot, a hero, and definately NOT an idiot. Protecting his country was obviously more important to him than money and I have a great amount of respect for him for that.
     
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    First- Puerto Rico is a commonwealth & not a state & it's an island in the carribean. His ethniciy should have nothing to do with this. Why was that even brought up? He is an idiot yes & his remarks are as stupid as they get, but newsflash ppl- he has the right to say whatever the hell he damn well pleases. Even if we all dont agree with it- I know I dont.
     
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    Wow, great quote in one of the responses posted by Jim Hunnewell, US Navy (Retired).

    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"
    John Stewart Mill

    The defense the Daily Collegian offers, that they are merely defending Gonzalez's First Amendment right to free speech is such a weak and ludicrous argument. That article wasnt to further any debate whatsoever. What debate did they have in mind? "Pat Tillman was an idiot" "No he wasnt"? Give me a break. There is no way they would ever run an article that bashed blacks or women or immigrants or gays. It just wouldnt happen. Whenever papers hide behind this BS free speech excuse they are merely demonstrating their lack of understanding or appreciation for what men like Pat Tillman have done for them.
     
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  12. Viceroy

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    So you're happy for freedom of the press to exist, just so long as it means articles are patriotic? That article may well be ill-informed poison, but you can't say there ought to be limits on the freedom of the press because of it.
     
    • Stanky105

      Stanky105 Anti-Spoon & Anti-Monkey

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      Yeah, as stupid as the author may seem, he has the right to write it, just as we have the right to make fun of him for doing so.
       
    • fubar

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      I agree, that guy's obviously an idiot, he's what we would call on these boards an attention whore. He knew that was going to cause backlash, but he wanted to be different and take the radical, liberal view. He's such a dumbass, and I seriously doubt that anyone shares that view with him. But I don't blame the paper, they weren't agreeing w/ him, they were just publishing an opinion of some self righteous prick. They also published articles in praise of pat tillman; they were just offering someone with an opposing view the right to speak.
       
    • Bergs

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      Of course he has the right to write it, that doesnt mean the paper has to run it!!! Its substance lacking garbage with no journalistic merit.

      Youre a fucking moron. When did I say that? I didnt! Free speech is vital and I dont care if an editorial page carries a leftist piece but there is absolutely no point to that article. They say that they intended to stir debate, WHAT DEBATE??? Whether or not Pat Tillman is an idiot? How ridiculous is that? Why is a "newspaper" publishing an editorial that calls someone an "idiot" to begin with? That is unprofessional, even for a college paper, even for a high school paper, and it is useless to any debate.
       
    • Stanky105

      Stanky105 Anti-Spoon & Anti-Monkey

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      That may be true, but the article sure got our attention didn't it?
       
    • Viceroy

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      He uses the death of a great man like Pat Tillman to illustrate the pointlessness of men dying in Afganistan and Iraq. He argues that such deaths are unnecessary. That's the debate he's stirring. Learn to read.
       
    • fubar

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      He may have taken it a little too far, but he did have a point behind all the shit about tillman. But he could have made that point w/out calling tillman an idiot and saying that he got what was coming to him.
       
    • Sketcher

      Sketcher Let the chaos begin

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      Could be. I thought the debate they were trying to stir up was whether or not he should be considered a hero.

      I guess there are many possibilities depending on how you look at it.
       
    • Bergs

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      I didnt read? He calls him an idiot! He scoffs at him as a wannabe Rambo! He says " He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in." Another show of complete unprofessionalism, "patriotic crap." He doesnt consider Tillman a great man, he despises him and thats what the article was about, it has absolutely nothing to do with the legitimacy of the war which by the way I see you have changed your mind yet again. Afghanistan is back to being pointless. :rolleyes:

      His only argument is that of bashing the life and character of Pat Tillman with complete unprofessionalism as demonstrated by his choice of words. There is no debate.

      Thats funny considering the selective reading that you practice, only reading what you wnat to hear. Go kill yourself.
       
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