Tony Blair demands integration of immigrants

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Tony Blair formally declared Britain's multiculturalist experiment over today as he told immigrants they had "a duty" to integrate with the mainstream of society.

In a speech that overturned more than three decades of Labour support for the idea, he set out a series of requirements that were now expected from ethnic minority groups if they wished to call themselves British.

These included "equality of respect" - especially better treatment of women by Muslim men - allegiance to the rule of law and a command of English. If outsiders wishing to settle in Britain were not prepared to conform to the virtues of tolerance then they should stay away.

He added: "Conform to it; or don't come here. We don't want the hate-mongers, whatever their race, religion or creed.

"If you come here lawfully, we welcome you. If you are permitted to stay here permanently, you become an equal member of our community and become one of us.

"The right to be different. The duty to integrate. That is what being British means."

Mr Blair's volte face - just eight years ago he was a multiculturalist champion - was the culmination of a long Labour retreat from a cause it once enthusiastically embraced. In recent weeks, Jack Straw, Ruth Kelly, John Reid and Gordon Brown have all played their part in a concerted revision of the Cabinet's stand which began in earnest after the July 7 bombs in London last year.

Mr Reid, in an interview to be broadcast on Sunday on GMTV, said he was "sick and tired" of the sort of the "mad political correctness" that led to Christmas being devalued. "I think most people just find this completely over the top and I would rather have a bit of what I call PCS - Plain Common Sense - than PC - Political Correctness," the Home Secretary added.

Although Mr Blair, speaking in Downing Street, said the diversity of cultures in Britain should still be celebrated, the whole tone of his speech was against the ideology that became known as multiculturalism.

"The right to be in a multicultural society was always implicitly balanced by a duty to integrate, to be part of Britain, to be British and Asian, British and black, British and white," he said.

The suicide bombings in London on July 7 last year had thrown the whole concept of a multicultural Britain "into sharp relief" and had highlighted the divisions in society. While it was right that people should enjoy their own cultures, they should do under a single set of overarching values.

"Integration is not about culture or lifestyle," said Mr Blair. "It is about values. It is about integrating at the point of shared, common unifying British values. It isn't about what defines us as people, but as citizens, the rights and duties that go with being a member of our society.

"Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs and other faiths have a perfect right to their own identity and religion, to practice their faith and to conform to their culture. This is what multicultural, multi-faith Britain is about. That is what is legitimately distinctive.

"But when it comes to our essential values - belief in democracy, the rule of law, tolerance, equal treatment for all, respect for this country and its shared heritage - then that is where we come together, it is what we hold in common; it is what gives us the right to call ourselves British. At that point no distinctive culture or religion supercedes our duty to be part of an integrated United Kingdom."

The speech was greeted with a mixture of anger from Muslim groups and scepticism from his political opponents. A spokesman for the Muslim Association of Britain called it "concerning and alarming". He added: "Mr Blair should be investing in our society to help the deprived, rather than investing millions and billions in illegal occupations which had not helped to promote multiculturalism in this country.

"Rather than standing up and lecturing us, it's time he puts his money where his mouth is."

Dominic Grieve, Conservative spokesman for community cohesion, said the speech was a "remarkable turnaround". He added: "Many of the problems in relation to the issues he addresses are at least in part the consequence of a philosophy of divisive multiculturalism and political correctness that has been actively promoted by the Labour Party over many years at both national and local government levels."

Sir Andrew Green, chairman of Migrationwatch, which has campaigned against historically high levels of immigration, said: "We certainly have a duty to integrate but the Government has its own duty to promote suitable conditions in which this is possible."

He added: "The massive levels of immigration which they have deliberately stimulated in recent years makes effective integration almost impossible."

Mr Blair said he was optimistic that integration was possible while conceding that Muslim extremism posed a problem both to cohesion and security. The fact that other cultures and religions all got on together harmoniously proved it was possible. But his specific proposals were aimed directly at the Muslim community.

He suggested that women were not treated well and should be allowed access to mosques. "Those that exclude the voice of women need to look again at their practices. I am not suggesting altering the law. But we have asked the Equal Opportunities Commission to produce a report by the spring of next year on how these concerns could be practically addressed, whilst of course recognising that in many religions the treatment of women differs from that of men."

There was also no question of Islamic Sharia law being imposed in any part of the country, though there was room for the agreed settlement of civil disputes by religious courts, something that happens in the Jewish community.
 

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The long overdue backlash against multi-cultural nonsense has begun in the UK. Can't wait for it to come here to America.

What it comes down to is this: if you don't want to act British (or American), don't come here. If your culture is so important to you that you can't leave it behind, well, perhaps you're better off staying home. If you come to our country, you will be expected to fit into our culture.

It's such a simple concept, yet so many people can't seem to grasp it.
 

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The long overdue backlash against multi-cultural nonsense has begun in the UK. Can't wait for it to come here to America.

What it comes down to is this: if you don't want to act British (or American), don't come here. If your culture is so important to you that you can't leave it behind, well, perhaps you're better off staying home. If you come to our country, you will be expected to fit into our culture.

It's such a simple concept, yet so many people can't seem to grasp it.
I'm not trying to debate you, but what parts of our culture?

I mean aside from the obvious speaking our language and not killing people for thinking differently, what parts of American culture are immigrants dismissing?

I'm actually hoping you'll enlighten me to this, because I don't know.
 

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I mean aside from the obvious speaking our language and not killing people for thinking differently, what parts of American culture are immigrants dismissing?
-Refusing to understand local traditions (christmas, way we dress, food)
-Demanding specialist Islamic traditional practices to be held here (sharia law, the tent thing they wear)
-Separating themselves as much as possible from the community (organising 'muslim only' events)
-Not understanding our system of free speech (mohammid cartoons ring a bell?)

I'm not against Muslims in this country, however somthing needs to set their priorities straight. We let them into this country that we slaved over and built up, we are the ones that enable them to live free, say what they want, we are the ones that offer benfits the jokes that cant get a job, we are the ones that supply them with all the goods they enjoy everyday. The least they can do is respect that.
 

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The long overdue backlash against multi-cultural nonsense has begun in the UK. Can't wait for it to come here to America.

What it comes down to is this: if you don't want to act British (or American), don't come here. If your culture is so important to you that you can't leave it behind, well, perhaps you're better off staying home. If you come to our country, you will be expected to fit into our culture.

It's such a simple concept, yet so many people can't seem to grasp it.
Well, we do have the Minute Men, who oppose illegal immigration, but also support legal immigration and naturalization based on criteria of being able to fit into our society and with background checks to make sure we're not importing any dangerous elements.

But they've already met with the backlash of immigrants' rights activists (immigrants have had rights for over a century now, so it's kind of silly, the Minute Men are just supporting enforcing regulation of procedures set in place for their and our safety) that's started at Columbia University.
 

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Good, I think it's perfectly acceptable to ask your immigrants to accept your standards for human rights and public discourse.

The long overdue backlash against multi-cultural nonsense has begun in the UK. Can't wait for it to come here to America.
I think it's already here. We never went so far down the accomodation road as the European countries have.

English will be standard pretty soon (I'd say within 3-4 years).


-Refusing to understand local traditions (christmas, way we dress, food)
-Demanding specialist Islamic traditional practices to be held here (sharia law, the tent thing they wear)
-Separating themselves as much as possible from the community (organising 'muslim only' events)
-Not understanding our system of free speech (mohammid cartoons ring a bell?)
Every single one of those things is practiced by any number of ethnic/religious groups in this country. Jews, Christians, Atheists, etc. All have their own community events.

We never had a problem with the Mohammed cartoons. I don't recall any muslim riots, did I miss that one?
 

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I'm not trying to debate you, but what parts of our culture?

I mean aside from the obvious speaking our language and not killing people for thinking differently, what parts of American culture are immigrants dismissing?

Those aren't enough for you? :rolleyes:


Do not expect your child to be taught in Spanish. Do not have your women show up at the mall dressed like a suicide bomber. Do not have your daughter refuse to work with a male lab partner in public school because Allah forbids it. Accept the fact that unlike back home, you're not allowed to beat your women, even if they "disrespect" you. Grasp the concept that perfume is not a substitute for bathing. Do not sue the NYC public school system for not providing a Halal meal for your children. Do not expect to be hired for a city job if you won't take off your turban.


In short, act American.
 

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Tony Blair for president!

Too bad multiculturalism is a part of that liberal PC bullshit. Libs are going to get the White House...
 

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Those aren't enough for you? :rolleyes:


Do not expect your child to be taught in Spanish. Do not have your women show up at the mall dressed like a suicide bomber. Do not have your daughter refuse to work with a male lab partner in public school because Allah forbids it. Accept the fact that unlike back home, you're not allowed to beat your women, even if they "disrespect" you. Grasp the concept that perfume is not a substitute for bathing. Do not sue the NYC public school system for not providing a Halal meal for your children. Do not expect to be hired for a city job if you won't take off your turban.


In short, act American.
HIP HIP HOORRAAAY!

Damn fucking straight.
 

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Tony Blair for president!

Too bad multiculturalism is a part of that liberal PC bullshit. Libs are going to get the White House...
I'm not so sure.

They now have 2 years in which to do things. You're more likely to fuck up when you're doing something than you are when you're just sitting there complaining about things that are being done around you.

This chance to prove themselves in the next 2 years could blow up in their faces. At the very least it will serve to show that democrats in power don't reduce terrorism abroad or automatically mean all our problems are gone like a lot of people are disillusioned into thinking anymore. The burden of instant positive results is now being carried by them like it's been for republicans the last 12 years. One "oh shit" is enough to erase any number of "atta boys".

As long as Republicans don't offer up a neo-con, it's anybody's race at this point.
 

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To be honest, after seeing Bush drag us at blazing speed towards a totalitarian government, I'm pretty much ready to vote for any Democrat other than Hillary. I just hate the PC bullshit they all love.
 

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To be honest, after seeing Bush drag us at blazing speed towards a totalitarian government, I'm pretty much ready to vote for any Democrat other than Hillary. I just hate the PC bullshit they all love.
Well, I didn't see that, but I'm just ready to see someone who is a moderate, instead of just claiming to be one, take the White House.
 

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Gotta admit! I'm suprised! Didnt think anything like this would happen so soon. Good going Mr Blair!

Now we just need some leaders over HERE to get some balls & do the same.
 

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About fucking time, 9 years in power and the big-ear'ed goit finaly does something that resembles sense...

Now if he could just get rid of the ASBO's and put the criminals back in prison, we could be onto a winner here.

Tony Blair kicks ass.
Tony Blair for president!
Gotta admit! I'm suprised! Didnt think anything like this would happen so soon. Good going Mr Blair!

Now we just need some leaders over HERE to get some balls & do the same.
Oh don't think that he's our superhero or anything, he's just trying to save his party's arse... he's going to be out of power by September next year (he's stepping down) and he just wants to make sure that his party stays in power by giving the people what he should have given them in '97.

I wouldn't be surprised if he rips up the debt the NHS has accumulated next week.

Tony Blair: Giving Britain what it needs... a good decade too late.
 

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^^^ better late than never! At least it is making headlines & being said!

He may have nothing to lose by saying it.... but its still good that it was said.


I wish BUSH (now that he has been neutered & will be on the way out) would come down HARD on illegal immigration, of which he has done NOTHING during most of his terms.
 
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^^^ better late than never! At least it is making headlines & being said!

He may have nothing to lose by saying it.... but its still good that it was said.
If he did it in the first place then there wouldn't be a huge mess to clear up, he's saving his arse and nothing else.

It's good he's saying it, don't get me wrong... just wish he said it a little earlier.